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amabaie Joined: Oct 21, 2002
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Posted: 12/03/2002 02:11 pm
I spent soem time today speaking with a gentleman from Traffic-power.com. Does anyone have any experience with this company or know if they are for real. What he ran through on his web site looks very impressive, but I guess I'm a sceptic. Anybody who can tell me anything would be very much appreciated. Thank you. |
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Janet Berg Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 12/03/2002 03:25 pm
Well, you should read this first, http://www.google.com/webmasters/seo.html . Then look at their site again. Replace words like "attraction pages" with "shadow pages" (Googles term for a type of doorway). Also, pay attention to the link situation. Also, check their own situation out. It looks as if Google doesn't have them listed. There is only the listing in the directory, which stays even after a site is banned. There is a cache, which indicates they know they exist, they are just refusing to list them. I also looked at the links, Google doesn't show any for them, but here is an example I found on AV, http://www.decorativeoutdoorproducts.com/ It is just spam. |
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amabaie Joined: Oct 21, 2002
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Posted: 12/03/2002 05:59 pm
Thanks, Janet. I did in fact find them on a number of searches, although they don't come up tops when I search for "search engine optimization". I tried several search engines, and they list well. Their link pages seem to be both FFA's of all their many clients and also themed, which is good (except that there is no theme that covers my site). I am a little nervous about the whole doorway pages concept (They say it's not the same thing as a doorway). One of those pages did in fact come up high on a search I did (I think it was at Google) for them. It looks like the upside is a much better ranking in most major engines, but the chicken in me is afraid of being blacklisted if the search engines decide this is messing with their ability to give good results to the public. I'm enough of a newbie that I still have no idea what to do, but I am just experienced enough to know that a little bit of research won't necessarily answer my question. |
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Curious_Mark Moderator
Joined: Dec 02, 2001
# Posts: 2141
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Posted: 12/04/2002 03:07 am
You should be very nervous about doorway pages done solely for search engine optimisation. Who told you that FFA pages are fine? Many of these are horrible link farms. If you are serious about search engine placement and the longevity of your web site realise here and now there are no super, quick, cheap fixes anymore. Perhaps at one time these simple spam tricks yielded results, but now they are very risky. You either need to learn how to do things yourself or pay a professional to do your search engine optimising. You can then take apart their work to learn so that in the future you may do it yourself. Do not hire spammers. Another company to watch out for in my opinion is (www).mainstreethosts(.com). I put their url like this so they don't get any value from this post. Good luck. |
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way2wired Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 01/29/2003 08:37 am
As far as I'm concerned, Traffic-Power.com provides a good search engine placement service. My traffic dramatically increased after I used them. They are also significantly cheaper than other SEO companies I researched. |
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philh Joined: Sep 14, 2001
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Posted: 01/29/2003 10:16 am
Rubbish - they are big time spammers - my advice, if you are genuine, is be very careful. Go to marketleap.com and find their inbound links, go to these pages and look at the code especially the - <img src="/transbg.gif" width=1 height=1 - bit. |
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 01/29/2003 11:57 am
way2wired, this is your first post, and I wonder if you are not affiliated with this "outfit". Regardless, I would stay far away from Traffic-Power. |
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o2beme Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 04/27/2003 06:45 pm
How does one prove that you have been black listed due to these kind of tactics. We worked with a company that sent us a lot of spam from pornographic sites. Then MSN and google seemed to drop all our links Even though we were well indexed before we had any dealing with them. They were supposed to be a reprensentive of Inktomi Connect. We seem to have repaired a lot of the damage at this point, but I feel that this was very dishonest. |
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Susanne Joined: Oct 30, 2002
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Posted: 04/28/2003 01:57 am
Hi o2beme, and welcome to SEF 
Well, it takes some research and analysis of a site to determine why and how it has been penalised or black listed. Are you talking about the site in your profile? You're listed well in Google, you have a healthy amount of links and from here it can only get better.
Have you done any conscious optimisation of the site? Bad ranking in search engines doesn't necessarily mean you've been subject to a penalty. Maybe all you need is some fine tuning and work on more links from other sites. |
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o2beme Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 04/28/2003 07:54 am
Thanks for your response. No last year we were totally dropped from google and Msn at the same time we told the Inktomi connect vendor/person we did not want to do business with them. Our web logs show multiple like 7000 plus visitors from pornographic search sites for certain terms not appropriate for a not adult site. I won't pay them because I don't think that they should have done this and my MSN representative called and said there is problems with your site, and we were veritually not anywhere on the site. Since that time I have been reading everything I can on the use of search engines and have worked hard to get re-indexed, but have become a little afraid to jump in again with another vendor. |
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Susanne Joined: Oct 30, 2002
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Posted: 04/28/2003 07:59 am
Great to hear that you managed to repair most of the damage. You are right, it's best to try and teach yourself and do it on your own even though it takes a little effort to learn. |
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jesbasementsystems Joined: Sep 27, 2001
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Posted: 04/29/2003 01:00 pm
Funny, just talked to a guy from traffic-power the otehr day. The concept they offer is obviously junk, but here's my favorite part. Initial price - $3600 for 1 year service dropped to $3000 dropped to $2400 dropped to $1200 for half year dropped to $1000 for half year offered double the work for $1000 for 6 month contract dropped price to $600 as final offer hmmmmm $3600 down to $600, plus double the work.... you make youre decisions from there. |
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RudyG Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 05/02/2003 12:00 pm
I just got a call from those jokers (Traffic Power) and they were asking $4000 for one year of service with a guarantee of EIGHT (8) Top 10 listings. WOW, can you imagine that, a whole 8 top 10 listings
One thing the guy said was that search engines were REQUIRED by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to redo their ranking algorithms every 3-4 months in order to better "distribute" the wealth produced by top rankings. I asked him to repeat the statement several times because I could believe what I had heard. He insisted it was true, but as I continued to challenge him on it, he hung up the phone... I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Was there ANY validity to his remarks about the FTC? |
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patrickh Joined: Oct 05, 2001
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Posted: 05/02/2003 12:36 pm
The only thing I have ever heard about the FTC and search engines was awhile back they started they reccommended that search engines made it more clear which results were paid and which were not -- that was never made a requirement though (to my knowledge). Check out this article for the skinny on that. As far as them being required by FTC to redo their algo's, that just sounds like a giant load of BS to me... I am sure that would be a widly known tidbit of info... unless Traffic Power has some great connections to the FTC and knows something we don't  , forgive me if I think there is no chance in that being the case. |
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dcaff03 Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 05/02/2003 06:46 pm
o2beme, If the site you want to have worked on is the same as in your profile..here's what you do... Currently, you have a PR4 for the index page with 2 backlinks showing up using Google's link: function..and those inbound links are from a local resource to your area...(lancastercounty web site) ... they also have a PR4 and have 31 inbound links..(typically, Google will not show inbound links PR3 or less, but that doesn't mean they don't have some value) So concentrate on acquiring inbound links from sites that will complement the products you offer. Do some research on sites that are in your industry sector or a different sector that crosses over to yours...put up a nice "links resource" page with a definite link off your index page...then contact all the Web sites on your links page (try the webmaster first) and ask for a reciprical link back into your site...you should see a decent conversion rate using this strategy... This will help to create some "interest" in your site and give the site more authority as Google finds these valuable inbound links during their venerable "deep crawl" (216.239..)..... Then you can work your individual content rich product pages against the freshbot crawls (64.68...) and bring those into more prominence for capturing traffic into your nice site.. Always beware of companies that use aggressive cold calling or spamming tricks to get you on the phone with one of their "hot" closers....they are typically not interested in the longevity or well-being of any industry (especially the delicate, flower like quality with gentle flowing moss growing at it's feet SEO industry)... Good luck. |
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RudyG Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 05/02/2003 07:58 pm
What's a PR$, PR3, etc.? |
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Hux Joined: Dec 02, 2002
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Posted: 05/02/2003 11:57 pm
Rudy, a warm and fuzzy welcome to SEF!
Well, Rudy, that would be Page Rank. Named after a guy named Page, I kid you not. Basically it is a calculation that Google uses to determine your site's "worth" and relevancy to a particular subject mattter. There are a number of factors that come into play, but mostly it is about links from other relevant sites that point to your's. So if you are limousine business and your site has a bunch of links from travel and industry related sites pointing to your's, then you will be considered highly relevant to someone doing a search for limousine service. Google assigns numbers from 1-10 in asending order of "importance," with ten being the highest. The object is to optimize your site's content and coding so that the search engine spiders can navigate your site's pages and find a good number of juicy key words/phrases to latch on to when someone sends them a query and they go looking for the answer. The more relevant links and the better your content/coding is optimized, the higher your PR. And the higher your PR (though not always) the better you will place in the Search Engine Results Pages SERPs. Note: see how acronyms are in blue, if you hover your mouse over them you will have the glossary for these terms pop up. HTH |
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Susanne Joined: Oct 30, 2002
# Posts: 720
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Posted: 05/03/2003 02:06 am
Welcome RudyG
You can see PR by downloading Google's toolbar. It's the green/white thingy near the middle of the toolbar. Rest your mouse on it and the rank will be displayed. There are more information and discussions about the toolbar in the Google forum. |
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o2beme Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 05/03/2003 07:10 am
Thanks for that helpful response. I was wondering if paid links like Yahoo help with this. Someone suggested I find a relavent sponsored link in Yahoo and that would help raise my pr. Is this true?? The lancaster link is from someone who had my domain name before and dropped it and I picked it up as it is the name of my retail store. Will that hurt me? |
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creativeas123 Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 07/22/2003 10:21 am
I have to agree that I have never heard of it being manditory for the Search Engines to update algo's every three months. I have however heard through the grapevine that Google is drestically changing their algo's in retrospect of the link farms (a.k.a. link pools, themed link pools, reciprical link pools, etc) so that if there is more than 10 to 15 links on any one page that it is not going to be listed. Maybe something like that will knock these money rip offs like Traffic Power off the Search Engines! Unfortunately, it is companies like this that miss it up for everyone else who is trying to get placement the correct way. In a nut shell if you are going to do SEO then do it the right way or research more clearly as to what exactly the company does to get you that placement and look through these "link pools" each and every link, to see where it goes. You may find some surprising results as to what your site is actually getting link too! |
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