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excell Moderator
Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 08/28/2003 04:19 am
I have just started noticing "Supplemental Result" in the SERPs the last couple days. Does anyone know how google figure these out or what they mean in the search results? In case you cannot see on try this obscure search to see what I mean. I am sure I have also seen them on more popular terms, mixed in with the other results as well. |
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Richard_Leader Joined: May 15, 2000
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Posted: 08/28/2003 06:51 am
OK - I saw one of these - y'know when Google provides a result something like "1-3 of 5 Results" with the message at the bottom: "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 3 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included." If you perform the other search it gives you 'supplemental results' - but along with you, I have no idea why this could be. I found it when searching my own site for a term. |
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excell Moderator
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Posted: 08/28/2003 07:08 am
No, the supplemental results are also coming up when you search without clickig the "In order to show you the most relevant results, .." link as well.. Something to keep the eye on, I say. |
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HAJITH Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 08/28/2003 07:26 am
Yes i too observing they are coming even if i search for domain names also.. |
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excell Moderator
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Posted: 08/28/2003 07:57 am
I cannot find anything about this (googles usage of the term), but "supplemental listing" appears to be a common term on PPC engines etc.. I cannot imagine what's what with this because in some cases they just appear to be good results that contain my term etc.. like nothing unusual about them. I wonder where their thinking is and what is up with this  .. It could possibly mean that they are implementing something like: if they feel they can help you further, here is a few more results??
Don't make sense really if that is the case, because as I said the pages contained my search terms in some cases. |
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St0n3y Joined: May 01, 2002
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Posted: 08/28/2003 08:59 am
Maybe Google is planning on using "supplemental results" provided by MSN! (kidding!) Either that or Google knows its broken and its providing these results until they get their act together. |
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 08/28/2003 09:45 am
Here is a bit about it. http://www.pandia.com/searchworld/ All Google has to say about it is here, Supplemental Result Google augments results for difficult queries by searching a supplemental collection of web pages. Results from this index are marked in green as "Supplemental." http://www.google.com/help/interpret.html This is something they have been doing for awhile now when you view inbound links via the Google tool bar. |
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HAJITH Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 08/28/2003 10:54 am
Great information UNREVIEWED. After a few days of overture announcement that ATW has the largest index of 3.2 billion websites, google announced its index has more than 3.3 billion webpages and it is augmented by experimental supplemental index in addition to this 3.3 billion pages. Now if we search for "the" in google it is showing almost 3.48 approximately 3.5 billions of webpages. Before a week when i search for one of my sites domain name only the site itself is showing in the SERP's. Now when i checked for the same domain name that site is not at all showing and more over two links are showing from the supplemental index. So after introducing this supplemental index is google missing the results form its original index. Does anyone observe the same changes... |
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 08/30/2003 01:39 pm
Found a bit more about it on http://www.resourceshelf.com who asked Google directly. It augments search results for hard-to-answer queries, by searching a supplemental collection of web pages -- in addition to its main index of 3.3 billion web pages. Results from this index are marked "Supplemental" because they originate from a separate, experimental index that is only used to answer the most obscure and infrequent queries. They have asked a few follow-up questions to this somewhat cryptic response including: how does Google determine what goes into the supplemental index and what's an obscure query? Stay tuned. |
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crash Insider
Joined: Dec 02, 2003
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Posted: 09/01/2003 09:05 pm
Gosh you guys are good! I just found 2 of these on a url search that Use to actually produce the url and thought WTF! One of these 'supplemental results' from Google is for a page that was index (since 4/2002) and recently dropped. It's an old page (of mine) that hasn't updated since it's initial creation. Wondering if the 'supplemental results' are stale pages? Maybe stale pages with low ranking? Pages not deemed important enough for general searching? |
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HAJITH Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 09/02/2003 11:26 am
same thing observed crash. |
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neiljones Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 09/03/2003 11:57 am
If anyopne want's to see an example of this try. supercilious supernovas |
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g1smd Moderator
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 09/03/2003 12:49 pm
Also try any current ODP editor name with the word "profile", and you'll see that the Supplemental Results are all ODP mirrors or clones in that case. |
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unreviewed Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 09/03/2003 01:25 pm
Danny Sullivan Using a supplemental index may be new for Google, but it's old to the search engine industry. Inktomi did the same thing in the past, rolling out what became known as the small "Best Of The Web" and larger "Rest Of The Web" indexes in June 2000. It was a terrible, terrible system. Horrible. As a search expert, you never seemed to know which of Inktomi's partners was hitting all of its information or only the popular Best Of The Web index. As for consumers, well, forget it -- they had no clue. It also doesn't sound reassuring to say, "we'll check the good stuff first, then the other stuff only if we need to." What if some good stuff for whatever reason is in the second index? That's a fear some searchers had in the past -- and it will remain with Google's revival of this system. This quote is also interesting, "...not all of those 3.3 billion documents have actually been indexed. There are some documents that Google has never actually indexed. It may list these in search results based on links it has seen to the documents. The links give Google some very rough idea of what a page may be about." Another trip back to http://www.resourceshelf.com/ brings up this little related experiment, -- The following qouted from ResourceShelf: In about 5 minutes and checking just a few major sites I was able to find several million (Google estimates) unindexed urls. Here's what I found: --- * Amazon UK Estimated 1 million unindexed * Amazon US 1.5-2 million * Amazon.de 1.2 million * BarnesAndNoble.Com 1 million * Ebay 200,000 * ebaystores.com 70,000 * buy.com 150,000 * dealtime.com 500,000 * PriceGrabber 300,000 * Target 100,000 * Yahoo Stores 270,000 * bestbuy.com 42,000 * ecampus 40,000 -- See Also: Lasy year, Greg Notess wrote an excellent article breaking down Google's numbers at that time. Bottom Line: Bigger isn't Always Better. In fact, if you increase index size your relevancy algorithm better be up to the task. -- |
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toddieg Joined: Oct 14, 2003
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Posted: 12/22/2003 12:15 am
Hi everyone, I've been noticing that myself. A couple days ago I actually purchased a few expired domains that i thought were in googles current index. When I did an allinurl: www.sdbeauty.com search for it, they were really ALL just supplemental results. I figured what the hey, google knows about the site so the SEO process will be quick, and decided to buy it. Now I'm worried that google has stopped crawling these 'supplemental pages' and never plans on re-crawling them...if that's the case, that sucks. Do you guys know what's up? I resubmitted the site to google's addurl and put dummy pages in to get indexed.....we'll see what happens in time... hopefully it will be quicker than starting from scratch. |
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g1smd Moderator
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 12/22/2003 02:05 pm
Hmm, I see that a lot of the supplemental results are actually pages that no longer exist, or are for pages where the page content is no longer the same as that indicated by the SERPs snippet and associated search term used to find that result. For example, a friend changed email address a few months ago. The old email address was already published on many sites, and these sites were soon all updated to show only the new email address. Doing a Google search for the old email address still lists several sites that appear to have the old information, however, by visiting the actual site it can be verified that the site now only has the new information. In the SERPs the snippet still shows the old email address and is listed as a supplemental result. |
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