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tjp Joined: May 07, 2004
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Posted: 05/07/2004 01:34 pm
Same here, FORGETMEKNOT2004. We have requested reinclusion after cleaning the site to the best of our ability, and received a reply stating that it would be looked at. It appeared to be an actual personalized response, so we have our fingers crossed. I sent my certified letter to Traffic-Power's CEO just yesterday, and am continuing my research anticipating filing in Clark County by the end of next week, provided I don't receive a settlement offer, which I very much doubt. Any help would be appreciated, as well as any white hat optimizers who have room for another client. We are searching now, and will try to make sure due diligence is paid this time. I have certainly learned much about this industry by forums such as these, and I appreciate everyone who takes the time to post. Thanks. |
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forgetmeknot2004 Joined: May 07, 2004
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Posted: 05/07/2004 05:00 pm
JENNID - I am so glad that my info has help. As for the re-entry to Google it is hard. I have seen many get bumped from them and had a very long process of getting back on. I will look into some suggestions for you to get back in, hopfully I will have something by tomorrow. You may have to end up starting all over with a new site or taking up one of your other sites and shutting down the damaged one. GREAT JOB TJP! You are on the right track. As for any good legit companies out there, that is yet to be decided. I am not sure that there is one that will do the job aside yourself. I have had some seriously good results from just doing mass submits, proper meta tagging, naming the pages after keywords and proper "relevant text". See the objective since Google has intermingled with Alexa is to get a low rating with Alexa and it takes great notice with Google. Ratings with Alexa differ from Google they take your site as a whole on ALL search engines, thus, getting placement and index within a ton of search engines no matter how small is the key! Studying what you are trying to do is the best thing. Keep an eye out on the changes that Google is making and noticing the changes in effect on the Internet itself. I also wanted to tell all in here a couple of more things, I will try to keep it short but I am so sad when I see people go through this company and get reemed! For the charge backs..... This is very grooling too.....you will have to make a strong case with the credit card company, even though the credit card companies will, 8 out of 10 times, side with their card holder they will have to have some solid baring with the company you want to pull money back from. BE SURE AND HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE TO A COURT OF LAW AND PROVIDE THE SAME WITH THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY. They will not say no to you if you have the proper information for them to go back to the company and fight for you. Google: In much of my research on TP ever since they started calling me so much I had to change my number(which of course cost me money to do)I have submitted all of this information to Google. NOT just once either. Every tid bit I find I have submitted to them. Me and probably tons of other people. With this I am glad to see that something (if anything is being done) but sad to see that it is being done to the wrong people! I lue of this I request that anyone having troubles with this company submit it to Google. You would think that if they get enough they will put a stop to it at some point! Sales calls: Since the new law had past this year in regards to phones calls from sales people here is the "NO CALL" URL to register your number with so that you do not get these calls anymore. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/donotcall/ Real funny thing is that I don't think that they even get your number like every other company that calls to sell you something. My guess is that they use a program that pulls your information directly from your web site! The best way to aviod having shisters like this get their hands on you is to put up a submit form so that there is no information regarding your phone numbers or addresses. If people are really wanting to do business with you they can get your information from your registery (although I have a feeling they are starting to attack those too) Anyhow, you have the right to tell them to stop calling you and if they don't then you can report them. It is a 2000.00 fine for every offense! Any other questions that I can help with or any research that you wishe for me to look into I am at your disposal. I PRAY that this keeps people away from the "Bad Company! Forgetmeknot2004 |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 07:22 am
jennid I came across a link to your site in another forum (WPW)(assuming you are talking about the site in your profile) in which someone posted a list of 14 sites, claiming they had been banned due to their association with Traffic-Power - while I think what TP are doing is spam and unethical, I did check the 14 sites and only 3 appeared banned (yours was one of them) - so I do question the ethics of the person making that post of the 14 sites... The one thing I did notice about your site and the other apparently banned sites was the use of this meta tag: <meta name="robots" content="all=index,follow"> The 'all=' is the wrong syntax - suggest you delete this tag. But some of the other 14 sites that were not banned also had this tag... so am a bit confused. |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 07:29 am
whoops - I have to take back what I just posted ... jennid - you are probably banned as you have 3 exact copies of the same site (or is there more?) with different URL's all on the same IP address - thats called spam (duplicate content penalty) --> ban (nothing to do with Traffic-Power). You have not been totally honest in your claims in this thread. I now feel silly for trying to help. http://www.valuecomputer.com/ and http://www.atozcable.com/ are listed (despite being duplicates) and http://www.greatcables.com/ is not listed (its just a duplicate of the other two) !!!!! - |
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jennid Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 07:44 am
cbp - I am not sure what other forum you are speaking of where my site is listed as banned. I do have my own list - I am not sure how it compares to the list you are speaking of. The whole thing has been very confusing. I am not sure why some sites are banned and others are not. In addition, as I mentioned previously, many of the banned sites were put back in for a week then pulled back out. In regard to your questioning my honesty, the site in question is 1 site, definitely not multiple sites, so I am not sure what you are referring to. (I do own a company with a totally seperate URL and website). We do have 2 URL's pointing to the same domain. |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 07:51 am
>We do have 2 URL's pointing to the same domain. NO. You have 3 URL's pointing to 3 different copies of the same site. Thats why you are banned for duplicate content. Click on the links to the three sites in my message above. |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 07:57 am
As regards to the list of 16 sites you claimed were banned earlier in this thread - it does appear that you were the source of that list in the other forum (however, someone else posted the list there). Of the 14 that I looked at, only 2 were banned for unknown reasons (maybe TP), 3 were probably banned as they had hidden links or text on the site, a couple were redirects to other sites that were not banned, a couple had duplicate sites (eg yours) and the rest of them were not banned. |
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jennid Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 08:19 am
I know I have not posted my list - I have been careful not to do so with out approval from all involved. Can you give me a link to the other forum? |
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Curious_Mark Moderator
Joined: Dec 02, 2001
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Posted: 05/08/2004 10:32 am
There is nothing wrong with having various domains that all resolve to the same web site as long as only one of the domains is promoted as unique content. It is very common to register multiple domain names and point them to one physical collection of web pages. For instance you may anticipate a common spelling error or different spelling i.e. American english versus British english in your domain names. I want to make sure somebody who types in www.spellinga.com and somebody who types in www.spellingb.com both find my web site. I will only promote one domain name with directories and search engines. There is nothing wrong with this approach. However, if you have three domain names all pointing to identical content, or even almost identical content, and you promote each domain with the various engines and directories as unique, you are in violation of the rules and are spamming.  |
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jennid Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 01:53 pm
Curious_Mark: Thanks for clarifying - We do not promote each domain as unique - we only promote the main domain with directories and search engines. I doubt that this is the issue, Google's response to our banning pointed to the doorway and link pages that were put on our site. In regard to the list - I just checked all 22 domains on my list this morning - all are still banned. CBP I'd appreciate a link to the forum with the other list. I searched for it and couldn't find it. cbp You can believe what you want to believe - I am positive we were banned due to Traffic Power and the doorway and link pages that were put on our site. My purpose for posting on this forum is to prevent others from going through the same financial loss that I and others are experiencing and because I need all the advise I can get to get my site back listed with the search engines! Thanks again everybody. |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 02:18 pm
>There is nothing wrong with having various domains that all > resolve to the same web site as long as only one of the >domains is promoted as unique content. It is very common to >register multiple domain names and point them to one physical >collection of web pages. I totally agree - I have several domains for one of my sites, but they all point to the ONE site (not seperate copies of the site). What jennid has done is having three domains, with a seperate copy of the site at each of the domains. (just click on the three links in my message above - they each resolve to seperate copy of the same content). What Curious_Mark is referring to and what I agree with, is when typing in the additional domains, they all resolve to the one site and one domain name. This is clearly not the case here. Google in their Guidelines, clearly say: "Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content. " This is exactly what you have done. You have been caught and banned for doing what Google say not to do. This is not a result of you using Traffic-Power! Curious_Mark said: >if you have three domain names all pointing to identical > content, or even almost identical content, and you > and you promote each domain with the various engines and > directories as unique, you are in violation of the rules and > are spamming This is what you have done - 2 of the dupilicate domains are in Google, the third has been banned as a duplicate. You are lucky the one of the others have not been banned as well. I agree with you re Traffic-Power. I think they are spammers and unethical, but they are not the source of your current problem. You are welcome to believe its Traffic-Power and keep submitting reinclusion requests to Google, but until those 3 domains names resolve to one domain and one copy of the site, you are highly likely to continue to be banned. The thread at WPW I referred to is: http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=19070 |
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jennid Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 02:30 pm
"What jennid has done is having three domains, with a seperate copy of the site at each of the domains." We only have ONE site - there is not a seperate copy of each site at each of these domains. Each of the 3 domains points to 1 site. I am not understanding what the problem is. |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 02:38 pm
Okay - so why is it when you type in the 3 different URL's, that same URL stays in the adress bar? (ie they go to three different sites) They all should resolve to the same URL in the address bar, if they are 1 site (this does not happen). How can Google not see these as three different sites? |
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jennid Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 02:39 pm
If you click on a link once you type the URL in the address bar, you will see the URL changes to the main site. |
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g1smd Moderator
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 05/08/2004 02:53 pm
That's not quite the same thing; unfortunately. The root page of the site should really always identify as one consistent URL, whatever you actually type in to get there. |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 02:57 pm
>If you click on a link once you type the URL in the > address bar, you will see the URL changes to the main site. It does not when I do it. Click on http://www.valuecomputer.com/ and that URL remains in the address bar. Click on http://www.atozcable.com/ and that URL remains in the address bar - ditto for http://www.greatcables.com/. That is what Google sees as duplicate content!!! - they all should instantly resolve to the same URL .... what g1smd said. I do see that if you click on a link that you then go to teh greatcable.com site - but that too late - Google has already seen the duplicate content. |
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scottfla Joined: Feb 26, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 03:09 pm
cbp: They do for me. All to "greatcables". |
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cbp Joined: Dec 25, 2003
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Posted: 05/08/2004 03:16 pm
>cbp: They do for me. All to "greatcables". That is after you click on a link on the page. |
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scottfla Joined: Feb 26, 2004
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Posted: 05/08/2004 03:23 pm
Yes |
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g1smd Moderator
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 05/08/2004 04:18 pm
As he said, too late. Whatever you type in, your very first page arrived at should always display as one consistent URL. |
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