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dknipp Joined: May 20, 2004
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Posted: 05/24/2004 09:38 am
Sorry to post again, but I'm in desperate need of a good SEO. Will anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks |
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bhartzer Administrator
Joined: Jun 08, 2000
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Posted: 05/24/2004 09:54 am
You might try going to http://www.sempo.org and browse the listing of members to see if there's someone in your area. |
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pc_marketer Joined: May 24, 2004
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Posted: 05/24/2004 02:38 pm
I've been following this thread for awhile and finally joined today. Congrats Jenn! I'm searching for an ethical SEO. Ethical = good and cheap  The blackhat site was a great laugh thanks for the link whoever! |
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majorlyduped Joined: May 10, 2004
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Posted: 05/25/2004 06:17 pm
Hello All, A lot can happen in two weeks...I posted about ten days ago about the fiasco I've found myself in with Traffic Power stealing my clients. With the help of some wonderful people on here, such as forgetmeknot, I'm making progress to rectify some of the damage they've done. However, I need some advice. I am trying to prove that their programming has been done on a client site, but they used a Search Engine Entry Page to conduct all the programming on and I don't know what that URL is. Does anyone here know how to find out the URL of that SEE page? I tried searching link:[sitedomain].com and got a list of all their link pools, but I need the actual SEE page URL. If anyone can help that would be greatly appreciated! And Forgetmeknot, thanks for posting that link to the other forum. I read those posts, and I love your retort on there. Since when do SEO programmers not post in SEO forums when asked their opinions and help?! |
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dknipp Joined: May 20, 2004
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Posted: 05/26/2004 10:32 am
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. |
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hoyaguru Joined: Feb 03, 2004
# Posts: 15
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Posted: 05/27/2004 10:03 pm
If anyone has any questions about Traffic-Power, please feel free to email me at webmaster@trafficpowersucks.com. A website will be coming soon. I have single handedly saved other companies at least $17,000.00. Any horror stories from others who have been ripped off are welcome. |
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_ssen Joined: May 25, 2004
# Posts: 37
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Posted: 05/28/2004 05:38 am
I myself do not understand why people go in for SEO companies. In reality, you will find that Search Engines are very uncomplicated and logical tools. If you just spend a bit of time (5 hours, maybe)looking around the internet and a bit of effort, you can EASILY optimise your site yourself. I can guarantee that I can optimise a site better than/as well as most SEOs out there, while not making it look as complicated. It just takes a couple of hours of analysis, planning and application. Its not like rocket sciense. In my opinion, SEOs which charge above $1000 for simple optimisation are criminals. Especially those which guarantee placements (for useless keywords) and claim to be associated with search engines. I wish webmasters would see daylight. |
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dknipp Joined: May 20, 2004
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Posted: 05/28/2004 12:28 pm
Shoot me a few pointers to get good results and I'll make it worth your while
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bhartzer Administrator
Joined: Jun 08, 2000
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Posted: 05/28/2004 01:30 pm
_ssen, so you're saying that someone who has never done any optimization before can spend five hours learning SEO and optimize a site properly? Someone could show you how to drive in 5 hours but that doesn't mean you'll pass your driver's test. 99 percent of SEO isn't written down anywhere in a book or anywhere on the internet. It's experience, trial and error with creating sites, that makes you a good SEO. |
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excell Moderator
Joined: Mar 19, 2001
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Posted: 05/28/2004 07:29 pm
Along with plain common sense and intuition |
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_ssen Joined: May 25, 2004
# Posts: 37
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Posted: 05/28/2004 08:50 pm
Actually, almost everything is given on the internet. There are many research sites online, like Seopapers and Seo-Lab. Those are people sharing their experience, instead of charging thousands, which I feel is criminal. I challenge you... show me one detail which is not mentioned. 5 hours is a lot of time, you can read a couple of hundred pages worth of information in that time. Every site is different. Experience comes with optimising your own site, not others. So, SEOs don't have that experience either. I agree with excell, it requires commonsense, intuition, and a lot of patience. |
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dpeddle Joined: Eons Ago
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Posted: 06/02/2004 11:20 am
Ok..... i searched for 'vehicle graphics' and got asigncompany.com I ripped the 'spam' from the page and put the code on my site... you can see it at www.darrylpeddle.com/test.html and www.darrylpeddle.com/test2.html they use a mouse over redirect which is encoded ...my test pages have the encoded redirect taken out so you can see the page.. if you go to the actual page and get the source code you will find it. NOW.... to DECODE that stupid redirect ... use this tool. http://sislands.com/coin70/week6/encoder.htm Its pretty sweet! And when i did that low and behold.... it was the clients url . this was the code for one of the redirects: onMouseOver="eval(unescape('%6C%6F%63%61%74%69%6F%6E%2E %68%72%65%66%3D%27%68%74%74%70%3A%2F%2F%77%77%77 %2E%61%73%69%67%6E%63%6F%6D%70%61%6E%79%2E%63%6F %6D%2F%27%3B'));" So i simply removed the javascript and decoded the characters... Try it out. Anyway.. just thought i would share that info. I was thinking of starting a traffic power exposed thread.... but figured might as well stay here Hope this helps some people. [Fixed thread stretch - The JimWorld Staff] |
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intensity Joined: May 19, 2004
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Posted: 06/02/2004 02:53 pm
_ssen is right. SEO can't be learned in a short time notice of just 5 hours. I am a fairly new Webmaster on the Internet and finding all the insight and verifying that those methods can actually be used, based upon a person opinion, can be very time consuming. Now, a couple of weeks can give you a great edge, however anything comes with time and experience. I say with hard work and dedication, with the help of the beloved internet, SEO can be understood and utilized very efficiently within some months. You will be able to start messing with the top under dogs. That my 2 cents. 
PS: Anything and everything can be found on the Internet, depending on your researching skills!  |
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g1smd Moderator
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 06/02/2004 03:26 pm
>> finding all the insight and verifying that those methods can actually be used, based upon a personal opinion, can be very time consuming << It can, and some places publish some very dubious advice. >> however anything comes with time and experience << and from that, if someone with thousands of prior posts offers a solid recommendation of something, then it is a fair bet that they'll usually be more right than wrong. |
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Curious_Mark Moderator
Joined: Dec 02, 2001
# Posts: 2142
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Posted: 06/03/2004 07:24 pm
Like anything in life, there is a decision involved whether to do a web site optimization yourself or contract out. There are pros and cons for both approaches and no two businesses are unique. This community is built around the principle of educating and empowering everyone who spends time here. I totally encourage people to equip themselves with the information they need and apply it if it fits their needs. I must say, you can learn a lot in five hours of reading, but you would need to be a prodigy to really get a total grasp on SEO in that time. I have probably spent five hours worth of reading on the use of titles alone. Much of this is all common sense as mentioned, that still does not mean we will all take in information and use it as effectively. Learning styles and skills differ widely. When would I hire a consultant to work with me? If the time spent learning and doing the work would be more profitable spent elsewhere then I would consider getting help. Of course you also need to have some financial resources to go this route, that is evident. The adage time is money needs to be considered well. Point in proof, before I was a moderator in this community, and then a JimGuide, I actually hired a member here who was an active moderator at the time to do some keyword research for a client of mine. That was the best decision I could have made at that time and it helped me learn a great deal as well as brought experience into the project for my client. Any good consultant will explain what it is they are doing and why along the way, thus the client has a fabulous opportunity to learn from the consultant while being involved. You must also consider that a skilled professional will always require the client to do their share of the work and further add value to the experience. I learned enough from my experience with the consultant I hired here to go on and stand on my own two feet. At that time it was the best decision to hire somebody. I would also like to say that I think people need to consider that a shift has occurred in this industry. Not long back hitting a few balances in page and web site structure alone could influence rankings, sometimes a great deal. Now it is quite difficult and simple html markup and keyword density alone are really not the magic bullet. I consider myself a web site content adviser/developer for my clients who knows the basics of solid web site design and structure, taking into account what it is their customers will want and need from their web site. It is about content and this will remain the reality on the Internet. Stop thinking about search engines, and think of content and good information presentation and user friendly design. If you do this with a hired consultant, or as a do it yourself business person, you will get better results and results that actually call the target clients to action when they are on your web site. |
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jennid Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 06/07/2004 06:17 am
dpeddle: for those of us who aren't SEO's can you please explain the significance of what traffic power is doing with those redirects? I am one of those who had my site banned from google, etc. after hiring traffic power. I have since removed traffic power's coding from my site and am now back in the directories albeit at low rankings. Thanks. |
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dpeddle Joined: Eons Ago
# Posts: 269
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Posted: 06/07/2004 11:26 am
well....there are a number of problems. 1) They are using javascript redirects... this is a practice that search engines hate... and if you get caught and penalized... it can take months to fix 2) They are using useless doorway pages. As you can see from the links i provided earlier.... if you read the content on the page itself... its garbage.... computer generated.... that provide NO value to a visitor.....these are the techniques that hurt the seo business.... and can get sites banned for the long term...... once you get caught using unethical tactics.... its difficult to recover (unless you start over with a new domain)...it not impossible to recover..... but it is difficult. ......IF you decide to use doorway style pages..... build QUALITY 'information pages' that you can link to from your sitemap and that provide value to your visitors (articles, glossaries, product specifications, 'additional info pages', recommendations, case studies, how tos, definitions, knowledge bases, detailed faqs, etc etc).... there are tons and tons of things you can do to boost a) your site theme b) your site/page value and reputation c) improve ROI on your seo dollars. 3) They are misrepresenting their service by calling the pages 'mouseover pages'. They specifically say that they are within googles guidelines and using ethical tactics.... when CLEARLY... we can all see they are not. 4) They are hiding the redirect by encoding the url with the escape command....again maing it easy for search engine to come down hard on sites that use these techniques. 5) Doorway page ranking or 'mouseover' page ranking is temporary...... they take your $5000 or whatever it is.... and they control the content.... for 5 grand you could build GREAT content for your visitors using strategic keywords.... AND also improve your link popularity (very important).... AND submit your sites to a few quality directories...not to mention sending out a press release or two... i guess the lessons to take from this point would be: a) don't get sucked in by the 'silver bullet' approach to seo....proper long term seo takes time. b) think about the value for your money... what are you getting? is it tangible? is it helpful? is it going to work in the long term and contribute to your future growth on the net? Do you get have control for your money...or is the service making you dependent on them for success? is the solution for the short term or the long term? Will they let you see what they are doing? Do you really know what you are getting? these aer questions you should have answers to.... and traffic power does not provide them. Hope this helps a bit. ps: i am sorry about using my site for posting... there is nothing really there anyway.. i just want to show the pages i found) |
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jennid Joined: Mar 30, 2004
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Posted: 06/07/2004 05:18 pm
dpeddle: Thank you for the great response! For anyone interested in learning more about Traffic Power there is a new website started by another disgruntled traffic power customer: www.trafficpowersucks.com |
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hoyaguru Joined: Feb 03, 2004
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Posted: 06/09/2004 11:56 am
Hi, I'm the trafficpowersucks webmaster. I just updated my site with proof of Traffic-Power plagiarizing web pages, you can see it at www.trafficpowersucks.com/stolen.htm. They stole the content from Martha Stewart's website, of all places. They will probably take the page down as soon as they find out we know about it, so see it while you can! |
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Curious_Mark Moderator
Joined: Dec 02, 2001
# Posts: 2142
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Posted: 06/09/2004 06:01 pm
Checked it out, how funny and sad it is. Hoyaguru, on your home page you use this excerpt from the Traffic Power terms:
Not to worry, the client doesn't have the right to shield them from litigation for any of those offenses. It would be within the right of any party that Traffic Power committed an offense against to launch legal action. They can write whatever they want in any agreement, it does not mean it holds water legally. It would be like a moving company having a client sign saying if the truck driver drove drunk and killed somebody they were not liable. Only the victims have the right to not challenge in such cases unless my understanding of such law is really wacky. |
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