hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jun-30 17:07
By this time next year Google will be owned by Microsoft, at least that's what I am hearing. Apparently the only potential stumbling block is The European Union who are against it on competition / monopoly grounds...not the first time they have tried to stand in the way of Microsoft...
Anyway, apparently the lawyers are in Brussels right now trying to smooth the way forward. Also heard Adwords might need to be sold off seperately in order to meet with The European Union's requirements.
By the way, on the Adwords front, I did tell you all more than a week ago that there was a major shake-up of Adwords on the cards... it looks like the chickens have come to roost on that one already...it's now official that Google are in the process of making major changes to Adwords and I am hearing they are as going to be as radical as Florida was for SEO and this is just the start... (see link below)
Karl Hochstapler
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fluxpattern
Joined: Oct 09, 2003
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 01:06
You were right about Adwords but we'll have to wait and see with the Microsoft thing I suppose. Are you the Hochstapler from Munich? Arent you with Microsoft now?
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 02:41
No not with Microsoft now... Was never based in Munich, just had some ties there a few years ago. Would prefer to forget about Microsoft thanks 
Are you Alan with greenlight?
karl
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Vinnie
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 17:38
Do you think anyone is actually going to believe that statement about MS purchasing Google? Where on earth did you hear that load of toss or are you spoofing?
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 18:52
I never asked you to believe it. You can believe what you wish. I regard my sources as reliable, but, I don't ask you to regard them so, and have no obligation to reveal who or where they are. Things either happen or they do not. This is this.
Karl Hochstapler
P.S. I note you did not throw scorn on my prediction, a full week in advance, regarding Adwords (?)
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Logan
Joined: Aug 14, 2002
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 19:03
Also heard Adwords might need to be sold off seperately
That seems suspect to me based on basic known principles of google's business. your comments don't make much sense to me either. maybe i'm wrong and you are right and we'll have to agree to disagree for now then.
it's now official that Google are in the process of making major changes to Adwords
Can you provide that information?
... incorrect information helps no one ...
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 19:12
See this other thread
[ Message was edited by: JimBot 07/01/2005 03:37 pm ... Reason: Removed Thread Stretch ]
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Logan
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 19:31
huh? that's official? I don't understand what you are saying, google is consistently enhancing a variety of things - that does not equate to major changes in adwords as you mention. Do you use adwords?
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 23:25
"google is consistently enhancing a variety of things..."
Almost sounds like the sort of thing Google would say...
We can exchange definitions of "major changes" until the cows come home, however, I think most would agree that the direction of these changes is major...
Before these major changes you could count on your ad being shown to any and every user who searched for a certain word or phrase...providing your budget etc was high enough... with these changes that's no longer going to be the case. Major? I'd say so.
And from what I am hearing there are more major changes to come, much more.
As for your question do I use Adwords... I've written several articles and contributed to more than 4 books dealing with SEO and Adwords. I'm actually under commission to write another article right now which is due for publication in the next 4 weeks. (I say due because it's likely as a result of these major changes that it will be delayed somewhat)
You will no doubt move on to question whether or not I have actually written anything on Adwords; this is how it usually goes with doubters, they jump from one thing to another, to another, looking for something to satisfy their lust for doubt. The sad thing is they always arrive at something - a sanctuary of doubtfulness - and when they do these doubters hoist it up and say "see, I told you I was right to cast doubt and scorn..." Then they expect everyone to salute.
Karl Hochstapler
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JimBot
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 23:39
This thread will not continue with "personal" comments.
No. It won't.
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Logan
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Posted: 2005-Jul-01 23:45
actually my doubt was based on my own use of adwords and not seeing any major changes myself. That's a relevant priority to me when communicating.
I think most would agree that the direction of these changes is major...
If so, seems as though someone else would be talking about it then on ANY of the forums.
Should we turn to talking about Microsofts' take over of google - perhaps others/opinions could contribute -
(i'm interested in reading your books/writings/articles if you can private message me the links)
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-02 03:17
There's a pattern developing here, one I'm familiar with. OK. Let's go through the motions for you, taking each of your points in turn. I'm a great believer in a structured approach, so here we go.
First of all you questioned whether it was official or not that a change had taken place, now you suggest that if any change had taken place someone else, apart from myself, would be talking about it.
Let's deal with these doubts. the link I posted should take you to a discussion on the major changes I mentioned. In a post by someone other than myself mention is made of these changes and the poster was considerate enough to paste in an email which he recieved from Google concerning the changes and apparent problems he had been experiencing as a result of them.
This proves three important things which, as a doubter, you will probably find some reason to reject: 1) changes to the ordering of Adwords did for a fact take place (major changes in my opinion since, anything that impacts on the order of Adwords is important to people that depend on them). 2) someone else other than myself is talking about them, contrary to your doubtful insinuations, and 3)if you read the email he pasted from Google and take it to be a real email from Google concerning these major changes, then that makes it official (contrary to your scornful suggestion that it was not official in one of your previous posts).
Most reasonable people will have no difficulty in appreciating the fact that an email from Google makes it official. Also, for them to go to the trouble to send an email outlining and explaining the changes suggests they might be more than routine modifications to the system, perhaps justifying my use of the word major... to my knowledge Google do not often send out such emails often...And, straighforwardly, most people will accept that someone other than myself talking about this proves that I am not the only one talking about it.
Karl Hochstapler
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-02 03:30
[link]
Microsoft to bug Google is far-fetched?
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yellowwing
Joined: May 21, 2002
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Posted: 2005-Jul-02 18:50
At 300 a share, and 80 billion total value, MS would have to spend a maximum of 40 billion. Even they don't have that kind of cash.
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-03 00:52
The market value of Microsoft this time last year was about 300 billion USD...and has risen since. 40 billion is peanuts and even if it isn't there I'm sure they'll have no trouble getting a loan... what do you think? It's not like it'll be a waste of money either, they'll make out of it over time.
For the record, it's now common knowledge that Microsoft were very close to buying Google about a year ago... I really don't see why anyone would have trouble believing that.
Karl Hochstapler
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unreviewed
Joined: Dec 07, 2000
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Posted: 2005-Jul-03 01:35
hochstapler
In German a "Hochstapler" means a person who deceives people and lives above his means at the expense of others.
No joke.
And the url in this guy's profile redirects to another web site. Pretty hard to take without a pinch of salt.
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-03 02:43
Stop doubting me. Hochstapler can be defined in several ways, you have chosen a common harsh definition. And judge me by what I say.
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dcaff03
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Posted: 2005-Jul-06 07:09
Certainly it's something to consider...Microsoft's whole history is based on buying technology to gain or maintain marketshare (very little internal innovation)....
this started when they bought their first OS for $50,000 way back in the early 80s from a guy who turned down an offer from IBM to put his OS on their first PC...Gates and Allen saw the opportunity and jumped all over it...the rest is history .. (90%+ market share in huge industry sector)
Microsoft feels very threatened from Google's market hold in what is turning out to be a very lucrative marketplace...why not buy the leading technology...strip out what they want, discard the rest and then move on with their Longhorn initiative...
Of course... it would be a tragic reality if came to pass...and then there is always Google's resistance to being bought and trashed....
Microsoft will do anything to squelch open source ... it threatens their future profits on a number of fronts..
Google, of course, is based on very different technology then is MS ... so not sure how something like this would pan out...PERSONALLY... I don't believe a word of it..sounds like some carefully crafted MS propoganda thrust into the marketplace designed to "panic" Google and force them to make some bad business decisions...
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-06 16:09
You more than imply it wouldn't be a good thing if MS were to buy Google, and that's strange to me. It's not like Google have been the most descent and responsible kids on the block when it comes to pursuing profits. In fact, based on my own personal experience and the way they have waged their monopolistic powers, especially with regards to adwords but also more generally, it's clear they just as ruthless as MS...if not more so.
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Vinnie
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Posted: 2005-Jul-09 19:20
I cannot believe anyone with a modicum of reasoning is still entwining themselves in this thread.
First of all it's a load of 'toss' this whole thing. How did I did come to that conclusion?
When i read this, the first thought that came to mind is that it's someone trying to start a far-fetched rumour. Alarm bells (minor ones) went off in my head when I saw the reply from the second person named fluxpattern and he was 'beefing him up' with "are you with Microsoft now" and the reply came are you the Greenlight person" ha ha ha if no one worked that out, that two senior guys from greenlight and Microsoft having a discussion on this board about a Google take-over.
I then looked at profiles one guy named hochstapler which is a person who deceives as another poster later pointed out. I then looked at the name of fluxpattern who is Alan Mann. Both of them German with a love for the author Thomas Mann.
Further to this they both share the same URL.
I say its the same guy and having some fun at the expense of those who wiill listen.
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