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darrens
Joined: May 27, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Apr-14 19:58
Hi Guys,
Ive been working on 2 site for 12 months and aree ranking ok but im struggling with google.
Been building 100's of inbound links and i have just been given a budget to purchase so paid (high pr) links ?
Good or bad ?
If good ... any suggestions who i should use ?
DONT WANT TO BE CAUGHT UP IN THE SPAM NET !
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bhartzer
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Joined: Jun 08, 2000
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Posted: 2005-Apr-14 20:17
Think of it this way--there's a difference between paying for PageRank/paying for links and advertising.
It makes more sense to advertise on websites that could bring you paying customers. This, of course, would be advertisements on websites that are related to your website's subject.
Advertise your website because you will get more quality traffic to your website--and any boost in PR or links would be a benefit (if they are counted).
If you approach it that way you'll be much better off than just buying links for PR or for link credit (which may or may not happen).
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milena_s
Joined: Jan 30, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Apr-15 00:26
You can also try linking TO quality sites related to your business.
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Vinnie
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Posted: 2005-Apr-21 01:26
There are rules for buying in links, and it needs to be filtered into your overall SEO strategy:
Don't buy them all at once, pace yourself a handful each month from relevant content websites that will enhance your sites subject matter.
When you start buying in loads of links you run the risk of having it back-fire on you. Too many companies have suddenly start purchasing links by the hundreds and it is obvious they are buying positioning and page rank.
Forget about reciprocating:
Instead link to some really good releavnt content websites that your visitors would find useful. I usually give outbounds to related subject matter and places that deserve it such as relevant pages on Wikipedia.
Make sure the addreesses of your links are from different IP blocks otherwise you run the risk of having them watered down.
Google has already in it's algorthym figured for webmasters linking from loads of websites on the same C-Class Block.
Another good way is to outsource your linking campaign to a professional, they will know what to do and when the best times to implement. Also, it takes some of the headache and time consuming work away from you for more important matters.
[ Message was edited by: Vinnie 04/21/2005 12:19 am ]
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sh0pkeeper
Joined: Mar 31, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Apr-22 09:48
Vinnie, could you pm me any professional link builder which i can trust? Thank you very much.
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Vinnie
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Posted: 2005-Apr-22 15:54
Okay, I just have.
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yellowwing
Joined: May 21, 2002
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Posted: 2005-Apr-22 16:14
i have just been given a budget to purchase so paid (high pr) links ?
That is jolly good! There are dozens of relevant directories all across the Internet. FInd them and prioritize them by PR and costs. $299 for a PR 2 is not a good deal. $40 for a PR 5 is a darn good deal.
Its been obvious that the latest Google update severely devaluated reciprical links.
Taking a long afternoon to find these directories will be well worth the effort. Bookmark them and you can use them in future projects! 
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St0n3y
Joined: May 01, 2002
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Posted: 2005-Apr-22 21:15
Its been obvious that the latest Google update severely devaluated reciprical links.
hmmm... you've stated that before somewhere else. Gotta say that I disagree. For our clients we get them a handful of directories and the rest are HIGH QUALITY reciprocating links. I think Google devalued certain links based on quality, not recipricosity. (hey, if you can make up words (devaluated) then so can I (recipricosity))!!!
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yellowwing
Joined: May 21, 2002
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Posted: 2005-Apr-22 22:06
I was mostly addressing the travel sites that reciprocal link to viagra sites scenarios.
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Vinnie
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Posted: 2005-Apr-23 00:49
One thing for sure is this: reciprocating from the same IP block is OUT. I've been going on about this for a while now but it's more so than ever.
Basically, if you got 300 or 400 sites under your control and you start reciprocating amongst them, then you'll lose out; also watch the directories you submit too.
I know I bought a place in a directory with a page of PR7 for a client, two weeks later it showed up in the SERPS it gave a good boost. I bought from another directory on the same C-Block and within days the other one dropped from the SERPS, and neither of them showed up. I did it again with my own site as an experiment see if same thing would happen with a couple of free directories both were on the same host and again same thing happened.
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darrens
Joined: May 27, 2004
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Posted: 2005-Apr-23 17:40
Thanks for the replys.
2 questions.
1) If i want to buy 6 text links ... any suggestions as to who i should buy from ?
2) Please explain the c block issue ? i know its to do with ip but i have never taken much notice of it
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Vinnie
Joined: Nov 03, 2003
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Posted: 2005-Apr-24 11:46
The way it works is this: Host are assigned to C-Class Blocks with a set of IP addresses.
For example we are a web development and SEO company, we have with our hosts a shared server, and 90% of the Internet is like this. We only have dedicated servers for larger accounts.
Our hosts assign us a IP address always the same but changes slightly last few digits for each individual domain. It's all on the same IP block. This makes life very hard running a linking campaign. It was Google’s answer to stop inter-linking.
As a result we now carefully scope each site submit a listing whether is is a directory listing with, or website, especially the paid ones. We check their hosting servers, IP and C-Class. We do this thoroughly and carefully. After all it's the client’s welfare you should have at heart.
Too many webmasters, SEO's and marketers are buying in links left right and centre thinking this will do it for them or their client. No research or anything.
How do you do this properly: By taking notice of the following:
Example:
You sell Auto-parts: (you already have a clean and well coded site that is fully optimised).
You search out some directories that are relevant to your subject matter,. Let's say - auto-parts, car mechanics, car racing, etc.
This is a perfect place to advertise in or maybe a free submission if it allows. So lets say in this instance you pay for a listing at the top of mechanics section.
Before you pay you should check (especially with paid listings) back linsk for the directory, make sure they are up-keeping it, and others sites like it by linking to them. Or they are advertising themselves which is a good sign because they are spending some of profits abck on the site. A professional will put money and constant work into their directory for the up-keep etc.
You go another directory or site, same thing same subject, check the IP and domain. Make sure it's not on the same C-block as the previous one, otherwise you waste money. It probably will not be on the same bloc, but check any how. If you submit to the same block you run the risk of having your paid listings watered down and not getting the full benefit of quality backlinks etc.
Thorough research counts for everything in this business, throwing money at directory after directory is not the way to go. Look at it carefully, don't just take a site or directory because it has a high page rank, and make sure the subject is relevant.
I had a guy email me a few weeks ago, he wanted to but 200 links for 200. I wrote him and told him it would get him a few links, but not at that price. After all I got to do the research, submission and then the cost of the directory fee itself.
I tried to reason with him, he wouldn't have it. He also told me he had a brand new site selling medical goods. He asked me to give it a quick audit, which I did, his site was not optimised, and also he was selling Valium. (I tend to stay away from this bunch). I wrote him and politely told him that he needs to fix his navigation (it was all in Java) and I could not help him because of what he was selling. Nevertheless he sent me an abusive email. That’s life.
Bottom line here is go through an all points check-list make sure your site is ready and up-to-scratch then go for the linking campaign properly. It is time consuming, see what your budget can handle. If you need a couple of recommendation PM me and I’ll tell you a couple of good ones that are respected in the industry.
As I was told once, that a really good link admin can save you months of hard work.
[ Message was edited by: Vinnie 04/24/2005 05:51 pm ]
[ Message was edited by: Vinnie 04/24/2005 05:53 pm ]
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