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TracyJ
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Posted: 2005-Sep-16 21:49
Hi everyone,
I need some help with a layering issue. I'm trying to make some fly-out menus from a vertical menu bar on the left side of the page. I have the menus appear and disappearing correctly as long as you're mousing over anything on the menu bar; but when you mouse over the main body of the page without going back to the main menu bar, then the fly-out menu stays on the page and won't disappear. I've never had this problem with fly-outs before... I haven't done a lot of them, but I checked and checked the code and don't know what's wrong.
I have the z-index set so that the layer for the images that call the fly-out menus onMouseOver is set to 9, the layers that are supposed to hide the fly-outs again after you mouse away from them are set to z-index of 10, and the fly-outs themselves are set to z-index 11.
Also, in Internet Explorer there is a problem where one row is too large (height). It looks fine in Netscape, exactly to the height that I set it with the <tr> tag and an image that is used in that row as well. I have some text in it, but the text is set to a CSS style that has no extra padding and where the font size is quite small. It shouldn't disrupt the overall height of the row. The problem is, this makes some of the fly-out menu layers below appear in the wrong position on the page (too high up). Any suggestions.
It's been a long time since I've been here, and I see that there's not supposed to be any URLs included in posts, but I don't know how to show you all what I mean without it. But... I'll just wait till I have the OK to post a URL!
I'm so, so stuck and would really appreciate some help. Thank you in advance very much!
Tracy
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Sep-17 04:40
Sounds like you're using dreamweaver, since you refer to 'fly out menus' and 'layers'. As far as I know, only dreamweaver retained that reference to Netscape 4x <layer> tag, which no other browser ever used or supports.
Diagnosing these issues is very difficult, and for me, not even worth it with products like dreamweaver since you are depending on external code generation to do some affect, not a good idea as a rule.
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TracyJ
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Posted: 2005-Sep-19 18:03
I am using Dreamweaver, but I'm not using the <layer> tag, I'm using <div> tags.
The reason I refer to them as fly-out menus is that I'm a technical writer and that's the generally-used term in the industry for such menus; it isn't related to Dreamweaver's terminology. As for 'layers', well, that's the term I was taught.
At any rate, since I'm not using the <layer> tag, is there any help anyone can offer me?
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Sep-19 19:50
The point isn't about terminology, it's about the tools you're using. Attempting to get quality cross browser drop menus, or flyouts, to function using a wysiwypymg [what you see is what you pray you may get] editor with auto generated scripting is not something that can be debugged, since it's the editor itself that causes the issues.
My only point in noting that you are using dreamweaver is, well, noting that you are using dreamweaver. Only dreamweaver uses the term 'layers', it's what taught you that term, it's the source of the term since no other app uses that term.
Good luck though. Look for dreamweaver extensions to the scripting component, there may be better 'behaviors' available than the stock one. This assumes a newer version of dreamweaver, of course, mx or 2004.
Just FYI, there are some reasonably decent drop menus out there, milonic makes a pretty good one, although it's pretty bloated, but it's very stable, and I think it's now seo friendly. I make a decent one, but it's not a drop in package.
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TracyJ
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Posted: 2005-Sep-19 20:03
I know it's not about terminology, but I wanted to clarify that making assumptions about where I got some of my terminology from also leads to assumptions about other things, some of which are untrue.
At any rate, I have pretty standard code for these layers, which is not Dreamweaver-dependent, so surely the mere fact that I'm using DW means no one can help me?
Sorry if I sound frustrated.
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lizardz
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Posted: 2005-Sep-19 20:42
What is the 'standard code'? Is it a package you downloaded, if so, which one?
If you stop using the term layers you'll do yourself a favor, your question is not about layers, there is no such thing as layers, and hasn't been for years. If you want people not to make assumptions it might be helpful to use terminology that actually refers to the question at hand, otherwise they have to do what I'm doing, which is start making assumptions.
For example, drop menus/flyouts/popups have nothing to do with 'layers', aka divs, necessarily, it's just a toggling off and on of some element on the page, can be anything.
"so surely the mere fact that I'm using DW means no one can help me?"
It all depends, what are you using dreamweaver for? Are you using it in wysiwyg mode, or in code mode? Are you using it to generate page code, or are you writing page code using it's code editing interface? It totally matters what the answer is, if you are using dreamweaver to generate any component of the page you are trying to implement drop menus on, it of course will affect that implementation, which is why I NEVER use dreamweaver for any code generation, for any reason.
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TracyJ
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Posted: 2005-Sep-19 21:49
Forget it. I'll go to the Dreamweaver forums.
[ Message was edited by: TracyJ 09/19/2005 02:00 pm ]
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