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Curt
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Posted: 2005-Jul-07 17:57
On a site I help manage, we have the following lines typed into the .htaccess file:
Unfortunately while it does protect the images from being hotlinked it also causes the hotlinked message image to be put onto the actual web site if a person begins to type in the actual site url and picks the auto-inserted url from the dropdown location bar in MSIE. The hotlink message image gets inserted in place of the regular images that should show.
Once a person clicks on a link within the home page to another page and then clicks back to the home page via an internal site link, the real images show up on the home page just fine. Why is that happening and what line of code will fix this in MSIE.
Don't have that problem with Mozilla just MSIE. I've commented out those lines but now that leaves images on the server open to hotlinking.
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Prowler
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Posted: 2005-Jul-08 07:41
A slight change in the directives might help:
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Replace the * with t in the last line.
In a large website I service, we had many issues with hotlinking of images. At the same time, we wanted some images to be accessible to all. So the high quality images were moved to a directory and protected with similar directives. The 'unprotected' images reside in the root or elsewhere.
This ensured that we get indexed by image search engines and Google Image bot, whilst still protecting the bandwidth hogging high-res images.
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Curt
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Posted: 2005-Jul-19 22:34
Thanks much  Will give it a try.
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-20 00:37
Why are you concerned about people hotlinking? If it's only a couple of images then it's unlikely to cause any real bandwidth problems... I'm sick of this shallow obsession with possessiveness. It runs contrary to the very essence of the web too. Why don’t you stop being shallow and possessive and consider it a compliment that someone might want to use your images; when you consider it might boost your pagerank, there’s actually a case for saying you should encourage people to hotlink. Focus on doing what you do and focus on doing it better or right. Stop wasting your time with paranoid, shallow, possessive ideals, and with what other people are doing; this is the hallmark of a successful person.
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JQ
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Posted: 2005-Jul-20 02:54
hochstapler, I totally disagree with you. It's not about being "shallow and possessive", as you put it. It's about someone stealing your creative work and passing it off as their own, and adding insult to injury by making you pay for the bandwidth at the same time.
Hotlink a few images at a few popular forums, and you can significantly impact bandwidth use.
I used to have a radio controlled car site back in the day when my husband and I both raced. We'd get up at the crack of dawn and drive over 100 miles to get to the track early enough that I could take pics before practice started. I'd set the cars up "just so" and crawl around on my stomach in the dirt to take pics at the best angles. I got some great pics.
Plus, some of the world's top RC drivers frequented this track, and I would get some nice closeups of them with their setups. Most were more than willing to give permission and even posed for me. I had quality, original content.
Imagine my surprise when I started getting notices about exceeding my bandwidth limitations, did some checking and found numerous sites hotlinking my images and passing them off as their own. And that doesn't even count the ones who ripped them off and put them on their own host, again, claiming they owned them.
It's all about copyright and respecting someone's original work and original content. It's about stealing, pure and simple. Nevermind that most of the sites ripping me off were personal sites on free hosts like geocities or such and they were not making a profit. My site was a personal one as well, I never made a penny from it. It was about stealing my original content that I worked very hard to create. The value of original content is diluted when it's no longer unique to your site.
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Prowler
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Posted: 2005-Jul-20 06:14
I am in complete agreement with JeromeQ.
You don't get the point hochstapler. Do you ? We don't mind people linking to our low-res images. But when they link to your media files or high-res images which consume a ton of your bandwidth in a high traffic site, you will not be in such generous mood.
Besides the above mentioned technique mearly replaces the requested image with a small graphics for such hotlinking. We take no further action unless the request from a particular site becomes a deluge.
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hochstapler
Joined: Jun 25, 2005
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Posted: 2005-Jul-20 11:11
JeromeQ, nothing you have said makes much sense to me. You presumably take these pictures for your own website and do it as a hobby. Why do you feel you should be rewarded for that in some way?
If you don't enjoy your hobby then don't do it. Why does everybody feel they are owed something these days, even when they are doing something they enjoy?
Then you go on, without skipping a beat, and talk about how "top rc drivers"s were kind enough to let you take their pictures... don't you see the contradiction in this? These guys presumably didn't charge you, you were there because you enjoy it as a hobby, and for some crazy reason you think you are due some sort of reward...
It's my view that if you put stuff in the public domain on the web or just about anywhere else then you should automatically relinquish any supposed rights of ownership. That's my personal view and I don't expect you or anyone else to hold it, but, in the same breath, why should we all assume the other extreme, the one you and so many others have jumped to?
As for the bandwidth issue. It doesn't cost much to increase your bandwidth. If, however, you cannot afford it then do what the other guys are doing and host your bigger pictures on free space; there's plenty of free space out there. End of problem.
All we are left with then is the idea of "copyright and respecting someone's original work and original content..." as you put it. I agree, that is what it's about. Another way of putting it is to say it's all about this horrible and disgusting notion of ownership that is being banded about, with a price tag on everything, about your ego and mine mine mine mine mine... it's repulsive.
Prowler, you don't get the point. You say "we don't mind people linking to our low-res images..." but, if you read what jerome says, she does mind that. That's her whole point: "It's about stealing, pure and simple," according to Jerome.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2005-Jul-20 11:53
>> If it's only a couple of images then it's unlikely to cause any real bandwidth problems. <<
Umm, a friend of mine had a set of images on his server, and they got hotlinked from about 10 different forums, and several popular sites. His bandwidth usage shot up to 40GB per DAY. We got the hotlinking filter in place right away.
You are completely wrong.
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Prowler
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Posted: 2005-Jul-20 15:32
>>the idea of "copyright and respecting someone's original work and original content..." this horrible and disgusting notion of ownership that is being banded about, with a price tag on everything, about your ego and mine mine mine mine mine... it's repulsive.
Exonerating Hotlinking is tantamount to deliberately usurping someone's hardwork. And that actually, hochstapler is repulsive.
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