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molle
Joined: Jul 15, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jul-15 12:04
Hi
I am running a site with approx 250 pages (PR3 mainpage), 20 of my pages is in the main index and the remaining pages is in the supplemental pages index.
I have changes many of my pages to make the pages unique and to avoid duplicate content and setting of prefered domain and so on. I can slowly see that some of the optimized pages move to the main index but it seem like there is a max of approx. 20 pages for my site!!
Every time some new pages or pdf documents is going to the main index from the supplemental pages index then some of my other main index pages is going to the supplemental pages index.
Can this be true that there is some kind of max pages maybe calculated on the PR or is it a coincidence ??
Thanks
Molle
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
# Posts: 1064
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Posted: 2008-Jul-15 13:37
Do the pages have unique <TITLE> and meta descriptions?
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molle
Joined: Jul 15, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jul-15 14:09
Yes all the pages got unique titles, descriptions and keywords.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2008-Jul-15 21:47
What do you get for these two searches?
site:www.domain.com
site:domain.com -inurl:www
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molle
Joined: Jul 15, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jul-15 22:50
Thanks for helping me..
I selected the www. version in the prefered domain at the google webmaster tool approx. 2 weeks ago.
The answer to your question:
site:www.domain.com
243 pages
site:domain.com -inurl:www
59 pages
site:www.domain.com/*
20 pages
Thanks
Molle
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2008-Jul-15 23:29
I would also add a site-wide 301 redirect from non-www URLs to www URLs as soon as you can. WMT is not the best fix.
I would make sure that all links within the site, when the site is accessed as www, do NOT point to the non-www version of the URL.
Run Xenu Linksleuth over the site and look for any other internal linking issues that could be tripping you up.
Fix them all.
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molle
Joined: Jul 15, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jul-18 13:11
Hi again
I have just checket my sitemap generated by my CMS systems all listed urls in the sitemap is listed without the www... I have told to google that my prefeered domain is www but by a mistake my sitemap only point to urls without www.
I beleive thats a major problem.....
Another issue is that I would like a permanent 301 from nonwww to www for all pages but the company running the cms tells that the only solution they can make is to close the access on the nonwww by the "host header" is that a ok solution when they can not make a 301 redirect?
Thanks for your help in here 
Molle
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2008-Jul-18 14:02
I have just checket my sitemap generated by my CMS systems all listed urls in the sitemap is listed without the www... I have told to google that my prefeered domain is www but by a mistake my sitemap only point to urls without www. - I beleive thats a major problem.....
I believe that's the understatement of the year!
Another issue is that I would like a permanent 301 from nonwww to www for all pages but the company running the cms tells that the only solution they can make is to close the access on the nonwww by the "host header" is that a ok solution when they can not make a 301 redirect?
I don't think this is a cms issue.
You need a 301 permanent redirect at server (host) level. Then, the CMS can do its worst (and it will - they all do!), while the page served to visitors will always have the WWW version, as will Google.
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freeflyer
Joined: Aug 06, 2007
# Posts: 211
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Posted: 2008-Jul-24 13:31
hey dont knock CMS i'm running several CMS and all have good serps with no probs or issues (incidentally, for a simple end user friendly CMS i'd recommend website baker).
Molle, chances are the company running your CMS are doing so on a server which doesnt allow .htaccess , ie certain reseller accounts or shared servers with restrictions. This is no good in many ways if you're doing SEO. Ask them if this is the case, and if so , you need to be on a server with .htaccess functionality, or you'll run into problems with new and chnaged pages etc, especially with some CMS systems.
Unless of course they're using IIS, in which case i dont know about that, cause windows servers suck
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2008-Jul-24 15:36
CMS can be wonderful
But on the other hand, it can get you a fat dose of sick site syndrome.
CMS is never designed with seo in mind, and it needs treating with respect.
1. CMS can throw up many duplicate URLs, with consequences for duplicate content issues
2. CMS can *CHANGE* the URL of an established page, making content unfindable in SEs
3. CMS may be unable (or unwilling, or at least unenthusiastic!), to allow for unique meta descriptions.
4. CMS may tempt the unwary to use identical TITLES
5. CMS may produce code bloat by the metric tonne
6. CMS may produce pages with virtually no content, with no warning of the damage this can do.
7. CMS may mangle content and divide it among several pages.
8. CMS may produce very SE-unfriendly URLs, even now.
(and there's more!)
Please note all these are "can" - I accept 100% that CMS can be a wonderful thing in aware, skilled hands; the real downs ide is that it emphasises only it's ability to polpulate a site. I've never heard of one that is *always* SE friendly, or one that comes with an appropriate health warning (or good advice).
In my experience, it very often produces multiple easily fixable problems, occasionally produces difficult to solve problems , though on a Good Day, in the right hands, it is a fantastic site-building (and maintaining) tool.
If it said on the packet "This is a highly complex item that requires skill, patience and reading the manual", I'd probably have no problem. But most packets seem to say "Plug It In & It Will Make You Rich & Happy" - which I translate as "Light the blue touch paper and retire immediately" 
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freeflyer
Joined: Aug 06, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Jul-25 23:51
granted.. but it sounds like you're talking about overly complicated CMS like mambo or drupal. A simple CMS really does present no problems whatsoever in terms of SEO. Were talking basic as in adding and removing pages and content, simple plugins, and thats about it. These work great for the end user, are easy to administer, and totally SEO friendly, with not even a rewrite or a dynamic url in sight Check out websitebaker, i'm using it on over twenty sites, about 10 of which i'm optimising on a regular basis, and which are doing rather well. I use it as the base for all small to medium websites, and metas are configurable on a per page basis too !
I've tried several, including etomite, mambo, drupal etc, but i keep going back to WB.
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mj1256
Joined: Jun 05, 2006
# Posts: 910
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Posted: 2008-Jul-26 00:52
all web building tools are a disaster on the hands of the inexperienced, not just inexperienced in using the tool, but inexperienced in the art of SEO.
as we have seen in the review section here, its the user. not the tool that is the issue.
it does not matter if it is frontpage, expression web, dreamweaver, wordpress, drupal, joomla or dotnetnuke, if you don't know what you are doing, it will fail. Nothing works right out of the box.
by using the right SEO addons and by knowing what you are doing, joomla works great and ranks very well.
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