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    charlesdickens
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-11 20:10
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    we are in need of some help as we are in some confusion about how to finally present our textual information alongside our thumbnail images in a manner that is open, easily read and enjoyable without leaving the reader scrolling exhaustively up and down our lengthy pages.
    We think that we have now found a pleasant layout of text on many of our pages which emphasises key text over connective bits of text but it opens the page up so long that scrolling becomes distressing.

    As we wish to avoid densing down the text again but we dread creating all over again the new shorter pages and links that will make the viewing experience remain gentle and enjoyable. ie minimum scroling.
    Your kindly observations are welcomed as we are perhaps too close to the problem. We thought we should invite customer comment but havent yet concluded the best way to do this.

    Our site can be seen in our profile but we would draw your attention to the contrast in the page layout between the print and book sections.

    Your thoughts comments and advice is welcomed...





    xelA
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-14 23:13
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    Hi charlesdickens welcome to our forums!

    Let me just start by saying your site has some great content! It's just not presented very well.

    Well since you guys just redesigned the site. My comments might not be that welcome because this will trigger you to do more work...

    However, here is what I believe you should do...

    1. You are only using about 600px in width you can now use 780px safely assuming you set your margins to zero.

    2. The best thing you can do is break your content up and make more pages. This does have an advantage. You will now have more content that will be indexed by search engines, this should drive more traffic.

    3. Honestly, this design doesn't work from a few perspectives obviously one of them is use of real estate. I think that you should go with something that has a standard navigation whether it's in the top header or on the left side. Then you should move all those book categories into the middle of the site not towards the bottom it should be the first thing people see. The first thing they see now is you use PayPal for your transactions.

    Some other suggestions I have include using a web site template if you are not familiar with web design layout principles. You can either get free ones here:http://www.freesitetemplates.com and customize them or perhaps spend a little money and have a designer make you a custom Web site template.



    animan
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-15 16:14
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    I think xelA is right, you have a good site, but it looks like it needs to be taken to a higher level. Right now your information is there, and it is readable, and organized for easy navigation, but your site lacks some of the characteristics of a professional site.

    I somewhat disagree though that a template is the way to go. They seem to me to be "cookie cutter" designing, and most sites built with them give me the impression that the site is an affiliate. It can be a good starting point though.





    xelA
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-15 16:49
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    animan, you are right that most templates are pretty bad and make the site look like an affiliate site. However, there are a few OK ones out there, you just have to dig around to find them.

    As a designer when I have a client who has HTML experience but lacks what they themselves often refer to as "creativity" or "graphic ability"... I always recommend the most cost effective solution for them which is to have a designer create a custom HTML template and then that client can go in and add the content and propagate the pages.

    This saves them some cash and they still get to feel like they were very involved in creating their own site.





    animan
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-15 17:15
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    Okay, point taken

    But I did say that I "somewhat" disagree.



    xelA
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-15 17:28
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-16 04:25
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    Hello xelA and animan.
    Thank you for your input which we have already started to act on. Your comments and advice have been very helpful and we will soon be looking into the template idea.
    Can we just ask another question?
    In spreading the listings out and enlarging the site. What do you think would generally be the optimin number of listings per page?
    (taking into consideration the type of content)
    We have tested with two, three and four, and are unsure as to the most user friendly style.
    Clearly with two listings per page the site would become very large with 1000+ pages.
    Your further advice/comments are welcomed.
    Thx again
    Ivan



    xelA
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    Posted: 2002-Oct-16 04:51
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    I think that the amount of listings you currently have are fine. However, you can make the vertical scrolling less by making the text size smaller on the listings. You can also probably fit two listings side by side after you expand your table horizontally.

    Let us know if there is anything else we can help you with.



    charlesdickens
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    Posted: 2002-Nov-05 12:57
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    We have made some major changes to the site design and are still sorting out a few minor technicals with the perl and java tools.
    Clearly we have spent some time on the layout and design with ease of use a key point. We are aware of the browser issues and will be working on them this week. Would like to know if we are on the right lines now?




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    Posted: 2002-Nov-05 13:41
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    LOL, where did I get the thought that this was about a real estate site??

    My comment is that you need to back up your navigation with text links and a sitemap.




    xelA
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    Posted: 2002-Nov-06 05:50
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    excell - I hink it's because I was talking about "monitor real estate".

    charlesdickens - I think this look much better. The info is presented more clearly and theres not a lot of scrolling. It seems much eaier to move thoughout the site.

    This doesn't really apply so much to your site as much as it does to sites in general, but top navigation like that isn't very effective when the person gets to the bottom of the page because they have to go back up to navigate. Maybe you can add a link that takes them back to the top (an anchor or book mark whatver you want to call it).

    Finally, the overall graphics and color scheme still needs some work. I think if you guys hired a good designer he would whip through it in a couple of hours and you'd have a guide for all the graphics text and other stuff. It just needs to be more professional looking. Then you guys can impliment the changes they suggest.

    Those are just some ideas.




    charlesdickens
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    Posted: 2002-Nov-07 04:21
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    Thanks again xelA and excell.
    We have taken your advice xelA and now have a good web designer working on the site. The anchor link point is valid and we have spent some time discussing it.
    excell, your points are valid and helpful.
    We will post again when the sites been updated.



    charlesdickens
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    Posted: 2002-Nov-28 16:16
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    Hello again,
    we have been busy making changes to the layout and design of the site and would value some feedback. The rec. changes have made a big difference and we are thinking about commerce related design ideas. One of which was to use iconography to develope memerable areas within the site. The concept is new to us but thought it worth a mention. Any help/advice is welcomed.
    Seasons Greetings
    Ivan and the team....



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