witchdoctor
Joined: Feb 17, 2006
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Posted: 2006-Feb-17 08:45
i had a new website and started putting google ads on it recently...in about 25 days i made about 150 dollars...my website isn't big really..itz about 40 pages (little more or little less)...of course i tried promoting the website through many yahoo groups but i know that most of the clickin my girlfriend was doin through several pcz in different net cafes!!(she loves me i guess!!!)...she has been doin this for days and days and it was working very fine till i put the firfox ad on my website and sent people emails telling them they can download it by clickin on the ad on my website and the next day i was banned and all the money was gone!
now the question is:
1.was i banned due to these emails encouraging people to click?how did google know about them?i sent those emails from another pc
2.could it have been my girlfriends clickin?i think she used to make 4-8 dollars a day from a single pc..could this have made google suspicious or not?
3.did google rip off any1 before?can i find a person in egypt(like me) who ACTUALLY recieved a pay check from google?!
thank you
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2006-Feb-17 09:15
Google is very good at detecting click fraud.
One or all of the methods above will have been detected resulting in a ban.
Once you are banned, you are banned for life - and that's good!
Click fraud costs thousands of pounds to private individuals and companies and you think YOU are being ripped off?!?
Well done Google Fraud Team!
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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Posted: 2006-Feb-17 10:22
Let this be a lesson learned - the Search Engines are ran by REAL LIVE people and they do know fraud when they see it.
Just dump this web site - throw it in the trash - get a totally different IP address - hel* change your name - get new content and start all over the honest way.
Do not even think of using the content that is on your current site on a new web site - they ( the se's ) will pick up on that and dump you again.
Everything you post above you signed an agreement with google stating you would not do - shame on you !
Live & Learn.
Google pays me every month......
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SportsGuy
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Joined: Aug 30, 2002
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Posted: 2006-Feb-17 12:59
Thanks for saying it Hamps - click fraud is bad.
How in the heck to people think they can get around this?
Let's see - Google has how many Phd-level folks working for them on just such problems. You are trying to "beat the system".
I should speak to a co-worker to figure out the odds for these folks...bet it's pretty slim.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2006-Feb-17 20:39
Good to see the system works as it should, at least part of the time.
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witchdoctor
Joined: Feb 17, 2006
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2006-Feb-18 09:30
y is everyone so damn mad at me like this?!!!this is my very first website ever!and itz the first time i deal with any company like google..u could basically say that it all happened out of my ignorance about such details...how many of u people read the agreement present on any website..we just tick the box "i have read the lisence agreement" and continue! the adsense help is too damn big too!i thought i knew my way around so i signed up but obviously i didn't know it all...anyways i have sent an appeal for the google adsense team and letz see what happens..thank you all anyways!
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2006-Feb-18 09:33
[groan]
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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Posted: 2006-Feb-18 13:23
witchdoc. but we are talking GOOGLE here - not sallysrecipe website - GOOGLE - I not only read the agreement - I go back and read the updates to that agreement all the time.
Also lets keep it honest here -OK ? you knew it was wrong - you yourself said that you used different computers and such to do this.
Then you went on to tell us just what it is you did that was wrong:
"now the question is:
1.was i banned due to these emails encouraging people to click?how did google know about them?i sent those emails from another pc
2.could it have been my girlfriends clickin?i think she used to make 4-8 dollars a day from a single pc..could this have made google suspicious or not?"
At least be honest with us and yourself is you want to try to learn from this.
You were wrong - you messed up - fess up - learn from it and move on......
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SportsGuy
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Joined: Aug 30, 2002
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Posted: 2006-Feb-18 15:17
And man, the word is "why", not "y" and plural words end in the letter "s".
learnf orm this, move on to the next phase and you're smarter for it.
You didn't honestly expect to come here, suggest you had someone "making" traffic for you by running around clicking on you site, and we'd think this was positive, did you?
I'll suggest that had you read some of the types of posts here, you'd have picked up that we're about learning and doing things the right way.
Perhaps next time, just ask "Is doing such & such OK?" Then, at least, you can walk away from the idea before it might have a chance to bite you.
...and no, not everyone reads all the fine print, but I'll bet most of the frequent posters here do... 
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witchdoctor
Joined: Feb 17, 2006
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Posted: 2006-Feb-19 20:02
some1z givin me an english language lesson here too..thnx man! but u gotta do somethin about ur typin too..look at the second line u wrote 
ok..bottom line here is that am movin on!i guess i was too happy launchin my first site and seeing a google account with dollars ticking in it and i guess that very first time in anything is just to captivating..i admit it took me in the wrong direction for sure...what happened made me snap out of it!i was being a slave for money and i hated that too!
thnx a lot everyone..i am glas i found this forum too...from now on i am doing things wisely...am not really depressed or sad coz my whole website life is still starting!i can't expect it to be very smooth from t first day!
now is there any advice on how to make use of my website now?can i sign up with a different company?i guess google are the biggest..can i sign up with yahoo for example?i tried searchin through their website but i couldn't find the link!can u all help a newbie!
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2006-Feb-19 20:41
You don't have to use the most correct grammar or make sure there are no spelling mistakes, but using text speak will not make you look particularly professional and will not necessarily engender a useful response.
Users of this forum will tolerate the accidental misuse of English but childish sloppy writing will alienate you from the people who could help you most.
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SportsGuy
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Joined: Aug 30, 2002
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Posted: 2006-Feb-19 21:02
point taken... LOL
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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Posted: 2006-Feb-20 02:14
In my opinion and I may very well be wrong - I do not think you can save this site.
That is why I posted this to you up a few posts "Just dump this web site - throw it in the trash - get a totally different IP address - hel* change your name - get new content and start all over the honest way.
Do not even think of using the content that is on your current site on a new web site - they ( the se's ) will pick up on that and dump you again."
BUT hopefully someone else may come along and tell you if your site is savable or not...... don't take just my opinion.
I am happy to see you "fess" up and realize your wrongs 
Beth
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2006-Feb-20 10:57
I'm not even sure starting again is possible.
Google will link you to your bank account. If you try to start again with the same account you will not be allowed.
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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
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Posted: 2006-Feb-20 11:15
Hampstead - I did not even think about that..... plus google now requires your EIN or SS # - yep I bet you are right.
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witchdoctor
Joined: Feb 17, 2006
# Posts: 4
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Posted: 2006-Feb-22 08:56
but google don't know my bank account!i was supposed to get a pin number on my home address then i was supposed to enter it on my google account and then they would send the cheque to that home address!so basically they don't know me that well! and i can write my address this time in arabic and it will definetly appear new to them...believe me guys am not looking for a chance to cheat google or anything..i just need a new proper chance coz i messed up my first time!is there anyway to have that..can i even sign up with another company?yahoo maybe?because my website is really good and attracting traffic and i would feel so sad havin to dump it forever...i would appreciate your help so much..thank you
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visitor
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Joined: Sep 06, 2001
# Posts: 602
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Posted: 2006-Feb-23 20:12
y is everyone so damn mad at me like this?!!!
witchdoctor,
I will be honest with you...I stopped reading the rest of your post and everyone else's came after :P
In relation to fraud clicks, with everything else being equal and constant to all situations (hypothetical premises), one thing still remains unchanged in your case is that you were aware of the source and existence of fraud clicks (those clicks from your gf).
Your original post carried connotation of innocence in your part, which in its bare essence does not hold any merit due to your knowledge of the source and existence of fraud clicks in question by Google. Negativity you might have felt and experienced by other posts might be due to the connotation of innocence (which in my humble opinion, was inappropriately expressed by your side) mentioned above.
It was bothersome for me that you seem to find your practice(s) as not an offense of significant matter. I would like point out in a light manner that it may not seem much to you by any means of measurement for its degree of importance but do consider the implication of this matter in cases multiple instances by multiple parties. i.e. 8 bucks for you...and her...and him...x100000..means a lot of $$$ for Google.
i just need a new proper chance coz i messed up my first time!is there anyway to have that
You can try to petition your case, but your petition, most likely, won't hold much validity. (violations and offenses are clearly stated in terms and conditions).
because my website is really good and attracting traffic and i would feel so sad havin to dump it forever
Great potentials, opportunities and/or talents go by unnoticed each day...sometimes ignored.
With that said…good luck with your future ventures.
Your humble,
visitor
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sendmetraffic
Joined: Feb 05, 2006
# Posts: 28
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Posted: 2006-Feb-24 06:26
Lying, cheating, and stealing are symptoms of a lazy mind. Rarely do they produce long term quality effects, namely, wealth. If you want to succeed in business, hold yourself to a high ethical standard and expect the same from those you do business with. Google did the right thing.
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dudibob
Joined: Oct 13, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Feb-24 09:50
ok, I think a few people are being a little harsh, witchdoctor, you did the wrong thing, morale of the story, don't do it again.
Good luck to you witchdoctor starting up again
A good rule of thumb is don't cheat Google coz you will get burned.
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flyingrose
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Joined: Oct 30, 2003
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Posted: 2006-Feb-25 18:39
Perhaps an explanation would be helpful. Those who are being hard on witchdoctor recognize that what was done is stealing. Clicking on ads to generate income is rather like shoplifting which most people understand better.
Advertisers pay for each click and that advertiser could be you, or your friends or family. They pay for ads to generate business and each click is real money they have to spend.
When you click on ads with no intention of doing business you are taking money from them. When Google realizes what you're doing they do not give you that money and they ban you so you can't keep stealing.
They do not keep the money you would have received if it were for real visitors to those sites. They refund it to the advertisers, just as if you had stolen property it would be returned to the rightful owner.
When you make decisions in life if you consider how that decision and your actions affect others you will better understand how to be ethical. If you wouldn't want someone doing it to you why would you do it to them?
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